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Saturday, September 8, 2018

On The Bitterness Of The Gender War

Two of my Forbes pieces - Lesbians Want A Church of Their Own and Why Gender-Critical Radical Feminists Might Want A Church And Why IRS Approved - which broke out of the tax ghetto might have had my regular readers a little confused.  The over forty year dispute between some radical feminists and transgender activists is not that well known in the mainstream and will surprise some people particularly liberals and progressives who are sympathetic to the LGBTQ community without paying too much attention to its inner workings.

One of my sources who is a strong social justice warrior and is familiar with the issue urged me that only people who are personally involved in the issue should have anything to say on it and encouraged me to stay out of it.  Kind of a what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas approach to disputes within LGBTQ world.

I've decided to pretty much take that advice, but am writing this for my regular readers. And then there is the amateur historian in me that is particularly interested in reform movements of all sorts.  How they grow and evolve and fracture and rebuild. The way in which extremists often turn out to be considered right in the long run with credit for their ultimate success going to the more moderate implementers.  So here is my reading of the gender war and why it is so bitter.  First some definitions.

Some Definitions

Gender binary - There are two genders - male and female.  Not 31 as is suggested by the city of New York.  The radfems and many transgender activists seem generally OK with two. (Of course, the radfems don't think gender is anything more than a social construct). That simplifies this discussion.

Sex- Male and female.  Males are born with penises. Females are born with vaginas. -A very small number of people are intersex which is sometimes brought up as a kind of side argument to emphasize that things are much more complicated than we think they are.

Gender- Masculine and feminine. A variety of characteristics that are associated with either the male or the female.  Even the most conservative people who will have no use for either radfems, transgender activists, liberals or progressives will probably agree with Margaret Fuller who wrote that there are no wholly masculine men nor wholly feminine women and that it is handy for each of the sexes to have just a bit of the opposite gender in its tool-kit for use in the case of emergency.

Radical feminism -  This is from radfem Hub
Radical feminism, by definition, seeks to dis-cover and examine the root of women’s global oppression by men, and the sources of male power.  In our work, we have discovered that there are several key themes that appear over and over, and which transcend time and place — this is evidence that women’s oppression by men is class-based, that is, that women as a sexual class, around the world, share the experience of being oppressed by men because we are women.
Transgender -people who have a gender identity or gender expression that differs from their assigned sex. Transgender people are sometimes called transsexual if they desire medical assistance to transition from one sex to another.

The Most Bitter Part Of The Dispute

"Some women have penises" in one sentence sums up the heart of the dispute.  Trans women, regardless of how far they have gone in transition believe strongly that they should have access to spaces that are reserved for women and should be recognized as women for all purposes including being potential sexual partners of lesbians (Google cotton ceiling, if you are wondering about that).

Radfems think women are female persons.  Therefore people with penises don't belong in woman only spaces and lesbians should not be expected to accept them as potential romantic partners.

Of course there is a lot more to the dispute than that, but that is probably the easiest thing to understand if you don't want to dive into a lot of literature that can be difficult to follow.

Who Is Winning?

In liberal progressive circles, the transgender activists seem to be sweeping the board.  This is likely because they are able to frame their issue as part of the long civil rights march.  There's your white privilege, your male privilege and now there is cis privilege. Cis means that you identify with your gender assigned at birth.

Anybody who questions trans orthodoxy is a TERF, trans exclusionary radical feminists subject to being kicked out of academic jobs and not so welcome at many LGBTQ events.

Something that I can't get a handle on is how many people characterized as TERFs are actually radical feminists at all.

Regardless, the best historical analogy I can come up is this one.  You have your conservatives who think that gender is important and should mostly align with your sex and that you should be attracted to people of the opposite sex (or maybe pledged to celibacy).  They don't understand why when you mention patriarchy, you make it sound like it is a bad thing. . If you are not part of the 95% (more or less) that meets those criteria there is something wrong with you.  And then there is abortion, don't get them started. Let's call them the Axis.

There are the liberals and progressives pro-choice, pro gay marriage, LGBTQ - it's all good.  They are the Allies.

Radfems and transgender activists might not agree on much, but they agree that they don't like their country occupied by the Axis.  They each in different ways might have issues with the Allies, but they want their help.They are resistance groups.

In the current environment it is the transgender activists that  are providing the Allies with intelligence.  Back at SHAEF they can't figure out the radfems.  So they gave the radios to the transgender activists.

The transgender activists sometimes use the radios to call in air strikes on the radfems. C'est le guerre.

But Why This Fight Now?

The fundamental disagreement between transgender activists and radfems is clear if you look into it a little.  Transgender people think that gender is very important, more important than sex in terms of your true identity.  Radfems seem to believe that gender is mostly a made up thing that males use to oppress females.  They oppose transgenderism, but it probably would not make it to the top of their list of concerns.

So why don't transgender activists and radfems focus on beating the conservatives and fight their battle out later?  I think part of it is that they are competing in a very small space - the LGBTQ movement and parts of academia.  In the current state of the struggle the radfems are in danger of being ideologically homeless.  A recent collection of essays was titled Female Erasure.

It is harder to see why radfems are very important to transgender activists now that the transgender agenda has done so well in liberal, progressive circles.  Why not let them have their music festival and the occasional conference and rely on aging of professors to convert the womens studies programs into gender queer? Just ignore them.  Stopping calling people resisting TERFs, which gives publicity to radical feminism.  Blame it all on the religious right.

Anyway, I reached out to a couple of sources and here is what I got.

A Short Answer From A Radfem

Meghan Murphy of Feminist Current recently did a podcast on the Pussy Church.  In the intro she linked to one of my pieces.  I wrote to her asking about why the struggle is important to radfems. I included my understanding of the radfem view on gender ("Radfems see gender as entirely a social construct that the male bodied use to oppress the female bodied ").  Her response was short and to the point
Feminists have been forced into this fight against their will as our rights and spaces are under attack by trans activists... I don't think any of us are glad to have to waste all of our time arguing about nonsense...
And yes, re: gender, we see it as a means to naturalize and reinforce sexist stereotypes
A Longer Answer From A Transactivist

I asked Anotonia Elle D'orsay about why it is that transgender activists even bother to consider so-called TERFs who number perhaps in the thousands or maybe tens of thousands when they are being pushed back by millions of conservatives. Why not just ignore them?

For one, because they are the “liberal” or “left” arm of those millions. Brennan’s sites, 4WN, etc are all actively members of a broad based coalition of religious right groups such as ADF, American Family Association chapters, and related orgs.
They coordinate language and elements.
This is not new, either. Paul McHugh worked with and used the work of Janice Raymond to get trans issues blocked in the ADA, and to remove trans coverage from Medicare and Medicaid programs under the false rubric of “experimental”.
In short, they are part of that big enemy, and collectively have caused more harm than the religious right acting alone has in the same span.
This goes back to the origin of lesbian radical feminism and very birth of “gay rights” in the modern sense, with Sylvia being removed from a speakers list in 1972, then again in 1973, but speaking any way, after having been removed from the original gay rights groups the GAA and GLF.
More recently, the HRC was led by a terf who, in 99, actively recruited trans activists from all over to come to Washington, help write the first ENDA, then lobby for it over a week.
Then, the night before the trans contingent was to do their lobbying, struck a deal which stripped all the content from the bill relating to trans people, and never told them.
They found out from the Congress people late that afternoon they had spent the entire day lobbying for a bill they were excluded from.
When she was called out for it, she swore that HRC would never advocate for trans rights.
She went on to represent RIAA and BP, btw.
Not tens of thousands, either, merely thousands. But when they do things like the ROGD paper raising hell right now, we have to engage and show why their actions cause harm and how they are actively opposing our human rights.
To put this all together and make it short, it is because they have historically proven to be the greater threat.
Understand that 90% of all the arguments used against trans people were developed by TERFs.
Most of them in the book that gave me the Empress title — Raymond’s “The Transsexual Empire”.
Summary

So now you have an idea of what the fight is about and why it so bitter.  I have assembled some other material here. The dispute is tangential to my own ideology which is summed up in the words of Brendan Beehan:
I have a total irreverence for anything connected with society except that which makes the roads safer, the beer stronger, the food cheaper and the old men and old women warmer in the winter and happier in the summer.
It is a little humorous and metaphorical, but it is pretty much where I am at.  The virtue that I think is most worth cultivating is compassion, not that I am all that good at it.  It would probably help in the Gender War, but that is true of many things.

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Peter J Reilly writes about taxes on Forbes.com.  









Wednesday, August 8, 2018

Gender War - Dummy Guide - Where To Begin

Top rated guide so far

What I believe about sex and gender (and what I don't) by Kathleen Stock

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My coverage of the Pussy Church for Modern Witchcraft provoked some strong reactions.  Not surprisingly, they mostly had nothing to do with why I was discussing the organization on a tax blog.  They were mainly about my brief introductory explanation of the context of the ongoing conflict that it appears Pussy Church is addressing.

One comment that intrigued and that I am addressing here in a way is this one.


So I hesitate to mention this, since it might make me looking even lamer but I have been reading radical feminist literature for over six years.  Included in the piece was a link to the most recent book I had read (Mostly.  It was a collection and some of the pieces I did not get well enough to finish. Others were great.).

 And as it happens, accepting even the radfem definition of woman, I had asked a woman.  She just preferred not to be identified.  And for the purposes of that particular piece I was only interested in what someone involved in Pussy Church had to say about what Pussy Church was about, not what other gender critical feminists might infer what it was about.

Regardless kthln m°y inspired the project that this post on a blog with a smaller readership and looser editorial guidelines is a report on it.  I put out in a couple of ways the following question:
If someone just discovered the dispute between gender critical radical feminists and advocates for the trans community.  What is the very first thing he or she should read to begin getting educated? Asking for a friend. 
Here are the results SO FAR in the order that I have received them. I will indicate whether I have read them in full or not (listened to a recording counts) and rate them on how well I think somebody new to the issue would understand them and general relevance.  Rating is 1 to 10.  10 being - I think somebody with no background in the matter would understand this piece and it is relevant.  5 being - relevant understandable material but probably not where to start.  1 - What were you thinking when you suggested this as relevant entry level material?

The rating has nothing to do with whether I agree with the piece or not.  Also I might rate a piece I think is quite good lower because I think someone fresh might have a problem understanding it. For example if "cis" is included without being defined or Sheila Jeffreys is mentioned in a way that implies she is a household name, points are lost.  Also pieces that only explain a particular aspect of the controversy without giving the overall context lose points. I have rated a couple of things I did not finish, but I dug far enough to get a good sense of their content.

One of the advantages of this venue is that comments are allowed.  I apologize in advance to anyone who sent me something that I failed to include here and will fix it asap.

Leaving Liberal Feminism by Kate Leigh - Read in full - 8

Lezbehonest about Queer Politics Erasing Lesbian Women by Claire -Read in Full -5

What Does Transgender Mean? GLAAD  - Read in Full - 5

King James Version of The Bible Read in full (no kidding) - 1

How To Spot A Transphobe A.E. D'Orsay - Read in Full - 5

How The Social Justice of Equality, Discrimination, Diversity, Inclusion and Empowerment Are Being Used To Strip Women Of Rights And Freedom - Miranda Yardley Read in full - 5

Trans Women and Cis Women Are Different, and That's OK - Jesse Earl - Read In Full - 8

The war on the left between trans people and 'Terfs' could be ended with a bit of empathy by Deborah Orr Read in full - 10

Raquel Willis: TERFs Don't Deserve to Define Themselves as Feminists by Linda Young - Read In Full - 5

Stand Up For Female Rights And Say No To Changing The Gender Recognition Act Read in full - 4

Sex And Gender - A Beginners Guide Read in full - 4

Inauthentic Selves: The modern LGBTQ+ Movement Is Run By Philanthropic Astroturf And Based On Junk Science by Sue Donym -Did not complete due to time pressure - 7

Paper Genders - Walt Heyer -Did not read- Not rated

Gender and sex: anti-feminist, trans activist and feminist interpretations-by Magdalen Berns - video - watched full video - 6

Wake up, feminists! - on twitter - Scanned - 3

"TERF Wars: Narrative Productions of Gender and Essentialism in Radical-Feminist (Cyber) spaces" - Jennifer Earls -Did not finish - 4

TERF Is A Slur - Scanned - 4

Statistic Show the Difference in Rates of Violent Crimes Against Women Committed by 'Transwomen'  Versus Non-Transgender Males - Read in full - 6

FeministRoar   -  Twitter account - scanned - 6


Pieces I Have Found On My Own (With some curation)

What I believe about sex and gender (and what I don't) by Kathleen Stock - Read in full - 11

I've decided that regardless of how many pieces are on the list there will only be one that is an eleven.  In this piece Kathleen Stock identifies many of the elements in the debate rather thoughtfully.

Sheila Jeffreys - Wikipedia entry - 8
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With some exceptions most pieces will at least implicitly include something like:
The science is settled.  Any far minded person who has the true facts and is not blinded by the propaganda put out by the -------------------- will agree with us.
If the piece does not also implicitly include
The arguments put forth by ----------------- and their allies are so ridiculous and hateful that they don't bear repeating
I still might give it a high score

The key factor though is the assumption that the reader is starting from zero. And of course a piece like that might be rated very low for other purposes.

Remember what I am looking for is something that allows someone to grasp that there is a controversy and how it can be framed. Earlier this year I attempted this sort of thing with a pretty arcane topic that has some general interest - The Tax Cuts And Jobs Act - Here it is.

An advantage of this site is that it allows comments.  I really don't have any restrictions more of an aspirational standard which I explained when we had comments on forbes.com.  Some people can probably come up with something nasty enough to merit deletion.  We'll see.

What I would most appreciate is additions to the list. As I noted above if something somebody sent me is left off, it was by accident and easy to fix.

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Peter J Reilly writes on taxes for forbes.com.  Almost anything you can think of will have a tax angle eventually, so he sometimes find himself in unrelated arguments.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-your-opinions-on-Transgender-Exclusionary-Radical-Feminists-TERFs-Do-you-feel-they-have-set-feminism-back

https://www.quora.com/profile/Kes-Sparhawk-Amesley


Links not yet evaluated

https://sarahditum.com/    https://sarahditum.com/2018/09/10/six-years-in-the-gender-wars/

https://discoversociety.org/2018/04/03/viewpoint-understanding-anti-transgender-feminism/

https://medium.com/@BeaJaspert/sex-lies-and-trans-activism-30cd9c3d6559



https://medium.com/@tan.ith9/an-open-letter-to-my-friend-who-thinks-transwomen-are-women-491659de2efb

https://www.socfem.net/faq



https://lgbt.libdems.org.uk/en/page/trans-manifesto


https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2016/03/24/north-carolina-pushes-back-against-transgender-mandate-to-eliminate-sex-based-protections-for-women-and-girls/https://lgbt.libdems.org.uk/en/page/trans-manifesto https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/08/07/feature-what-is-the-trans-spousal-veto-and-why-does-it-matter/ https://handsacrosstheaislewomen.com/about/

Sunday, February 5, 2017

Transactivist Comments On Article About O'Donnabhain Decision

When I asked Toni D'Orsay, Executive Director of the Trans 100 to comment on an article about the O'Donnobhain decision, which recognized gender confirmation surgery as a deductible medical expense, I got a bit more than I could fit into my forbes post.  Here is her full response.

This case represents an excellent opportunity to examine the ways in which those who are opposed to the rights of Trans people -- and, by extension, gay, lesbian, and bisexual people -- operate in a setting of law, where their exhortations towards public defamation are much more limited by the demands of law.

That it took place in tax court was, in the first place, entirely because of their aversion, anxiety, and animus towards trans people, and, as this particular review notes, with a shocking disregard for precedent and settled case law. To have first had success and then have that reversed by a public outcry and pressure, is common among cases that involve LGBT persons.

Here, we have a government office, which does not have competence or training, impugn the very experts who do have competence and training as fake, and effectively arguing that no one involved except them knew what they were talking about or had the capacity to argue the case.

Which is shocking, as, by that standard, even their own expert witnesses were failing. It was akin to the arguments in the much more well known California civil case around marriage equality.

This became a case of the IRS, under orders, acting as an Agent of those who have aversion to or Anxiety about trans people, even though the IRS itself did not originally have the problem as an organization.

This, in particular, makes the case important in referencing other federal aspects that touch on the lives of trans people, and acts as a strongly settled precedent, even though it has limited applicability.
Of note, to me, is that under the current standards of care for the Health of Transsexual, Transgender, and Gender Nonconforming People, Version 7, there are several sections where aspects of this case are directly addressed, and well documented with explicit rationales -- a marked change from the Version 6 that was in use at the time the case was litigated -- although the case itself did not have direct bearing on the decision to do so beyond the familiarity of these questions when trans lives are examined in the public sphere.

The case is one that will likely be made into a "lifetime" movie one day -- fictionalized, no doubt, but the basics of the story are quite compelling and the way that things happened is very dramatic.

The most important aspect of the case, however, has nothing to do with trans persons directly -- it lies in the impact to persons who are not trans as a direct result of the way this case was argued. Had the trans woman lost, t would have significantly altered the way that other people were able to make claims for simple, routine exemptions that they had been getting all along, and given rise to an even greater challenge down the road in order to "restore" that basis.


Trans people, despite their being different, are still people. When you attack them, you invariably attack people who are not trans people, because of this simple truth.

Saturday, July 2, 2016

Transgender Comic Julia Scotti Blows The Doors Off Fairview Famous

It takes a Jersey girl, or in this case, a transgender woman, to not only have the bravery to come out on national television, but to drop the F-bomb as well!

Steve Trevelise on Julia Scotti

Shameless Exploitation

So I'm going off topic entirely here to shamelessly exploit a celebrity connection to improve my traffic.  I mean what's the point of knowing a celebrity if you can't get traffic out of it?  At my recent grammar school reunion, there were connections to some of the most famous people from Fairview, NJ.  Lucia Scarnecchia was there and her uncle (or maybe great uncle) until this month had been the most famous person from Fairview.  John Scarne was an expert on, among other things, cheating at cards, which was kind of fit being the most famous person from Fairview.  Fairview was known as something of a gambling center back in the day.

Fairview Famous

Father Charles McTague, himself now famous, often told us about John Scarne, who also invented the game Teeko, Father McTague was with us in spirit.  If you are into jazz you may have heard of Mary Lou Williams.  She was not from Fairview, but the Jesuit priest who was her manager and preserver of her heritage Fr. Peter O'Brien SJ was.  If you attended St. John's in the fifties or sixties, you probably had an O'Brien in your class.  Well my brother, sister and I all did anyway.  My brother was in Peter's class and Patrick was in mine.

As it happens, though, at the very reunion was someone poised to blow the doors off Fairview famous.  That would be Julia Scotti who recently appeared on America's Got Talent where in a one two punch of sorts she dropped an F bomb and outed herself as transgender

Here is me and Julia in front of the famous Pop's Park in Fairview NJ



And here we are along with Patrick O'Brien getting ready to go to the 11:00 AM Mass that was dedicated to our class



And here is the whole 20% of the class that made it to the reunion along with two Franciscans who are kind of standing in for the sisters who taught us, who are all, you know, dead.

I don't know if the game of "Where's Julia" will ever catch on, but here we are in the third grade if you want to give it a shot.



A Bit Of Controversy

I connected with Julia a couple of years ago through facebook.  Oddly enough around that time I had become interested in some of the views of radical feminists.

I may well be the only person to ask a presidential candidate about "women's spaces"



What is intriguing to me is that it some ways there is an illustration here of one of the things the radfems often refer to.  The parochial grammar schools were extremely gendered such that boys and girls lived in close to parallel universes.  Oddly enough the nuns, who some said favored the girls, had elements of radical feminism about them.  That sounds like a joke, but there is probably a serious topic there.

Regardless, I think what a radical feminist might remark is that Julia did not experience girlhood.

Julia and I had a bit of discussion about that and she ended up doing a blog post about it.  Here is how it closes.

And so in closing, I believe that the growing number of visible, vocal trans people are questioning and redefining gender all over the world. I believe that in the next three or four generations, acceptance of  the gender continuum will make the current absolute definition archaic. I believe that in time, trans people will have trans role models to look toward and the desire to feel or be 100% female will disappear. Finally, I believe that someday, many will look at the trans community with some degree of envy because we who were blessed with this very natural way of being have the decided advantage of seeing, feeling and actually living with the points of view of both genders. Already, scientists are pointing toward genetic and chemical causes for gender dysphoria, itself a misnomer as it implies being trans as negative. Ask any trans person how they feel after coming out and the answer is more likely to imply euphoria than dysphoria. And who needs radical feminists for validation? I am happy. That is validation enough.

I remember this period of time when I was involved in the governance of a church that seemed to be a perpetual hotbed of content free conflict.  Somebody told me that my problem was that I was an Aquarian and wanted everybody to get along.  I also have this tendency to learn about what position various groups maintain by looking at what they write rather than what is written about them.

What Is With This "Old" Bullshit?

On a really serious note, not, though, I have to call Julia out on the ageism in her routine.  Seriously, I don't really feel that old. As a matter of fact I am kind of experiencing a second adolescence, although this one is definitely more fun.

Fairview Famous

We don't know yet whether Julia's success on America's  Got Talent will turn into the fifteen minute type of fame, but at least for the moment I think she has edged out John Scarne.  So now we have somebody who is famous for dropping an F-bomb rather than knowing how to cheat at cards.  That's Fairview for you.

By the way when it comes to Fairview famous in contemporary entertainment, Julia is also competing with Ripface Invasion. You can be the judge.



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Peter J Reilly writes on taxes for forbes.com which is pretty good for a Fairview kid.  His mother,s family the Lyons had four generations in Fairview, which may well be unique.