tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post939016940553296148..comments2024-03-29T03:27:43.567-04:00Comments on Your Tax Matters Partner: Kent Hovind Trials - Final Round Of The First Fight - Installment OnePeter Reillyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01473701483727808782noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-62690888358293362362015-05-22T10:41:17.491-04:002015-05-22T10:41:17.491-04:00I think Thomas Jefferson put it very well when tal...I think Thomas Jefferson put it very well when talking about the bible. He said something to the effect that with the bible you have to be able to find the diamonds amongst the dung. Well a lot of good it did for God to send angels to dictate the Koran to Mohammed. A religion of continual war and intollerance was created. Any time you get fanatics that are required to suspend their critical thinking you are in trouble. Is it possiblethat if God really did author a Holy Book that we as humans would be incapable of understanding it. If such a book were to exist, we humans would corrupt and misunderstand it. As the line goes in Monty Pythons In Search of the Holy Grail, "Blessed Be the Cheese Makers!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-26432214805013809262015-05-20T21:13:10.777-04:002015-05-20T21:13:10.777-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Peter Reillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01473701483727808782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-14485802308102098052015-05-20T21:13:01.982-04:002015-05-20T21:13:01.982-04:00That's why God sent angels to dictate the Kora...That's why God sent angels to dictate the Koran to Mohammed and put the Book of Moromon on gold plates to avoid all those translation and transcription problems.Peter Reillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01473701483727808782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-39338102379226028282015-05-20T19:54:41.322-04:002015-05-20T19:54:41.322-04:00Personally I question Mr. Hovind's sanity. I ...Personally I question Mr. Hovind's sanity. I have a friend who is a Hovind fanatic. The fact is that he never graduated high school and has no college degree. He is simply too lazy and too stubborn to actually get an education. Besides, he already knows the truth. The Bible has given it to him. I wish he had been willing to get an education. He and those like him find it easier to get answers from a lunatic than to get an education. They are not willing to put forth the effort to actually get a degree in biology. They do not understand what they claim to hate. Actually, if I wanted to discredit Christianity, which I do not, Hovind and his ilk would be my greatest asset. The majority of Christians find no contradiction in their belief in Jesus Christ and a belief in evolution. The Theory of Evolution is the only scientific theory to address man's origins. While that may not make it true, there is nothing else to challenge it. How about the THEORY of Gravity? Maybe Mr. Hovind and his followers would like to throw themselves off of a cliff. After all it is just a THEORY. How about the Germ Theory for the transmission of diseases? Maybe along with the Germ Theory we should also teach in science class that those practicing witchcraft are the real cause of most illness. That is out of fairness. After all, the Germ Theory is JUST a theory. It hasn't been proven. I am sickened by Mr. Hovind, Ken Hamm, Ray Comfort and those who do not realize the Bible was written by men who were members of a primitive culture. If there is truly a God, are you telling me the He couldn't produce anything any better than one of the hundreds of translations of the bible? I refer to God as He out of tradition. Sex has to do with biological reproduction. So, God could neither be identified as male or female. I think a diety would be capable of writing a more coherent and convincing book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-35564461362642743862015-04-08T23:50:32.524-04:002015-04-08T23:50:32.524-04:00Further, I can't believe you Protestant believ...Further, I can't believe you Protestant believers even believe the claim of a "Vow of Poverty" out of Hovind. There's no such thing for him. It's a Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, maybe even cult thing but not Baptist. They also usually take vows of chastity, modesty, obedience, etc. Think ol' Kent's a virgin?<br /><br />He was an older married guy with wife and kids to support. Did it become his ministry's job to take care of his family? Did his wife and kids take these vows? <br /><br />The VOP garbage was and is a scam--a sovcit tax-scoffer scam that he thought could get him out of taxes. Yet he was in charge of his money at all times, didn't have to get permission to spend it on school for his kids, clothing for everybody, more land or vehicles, tools for the "ministry", etc., etc., etc. <br /><br />You're being scammed you simpletons. And you're supporting him in the best way he can in his current incarcerated condition whilst we taxpayers pay for his room and board. Vow of poverty, my ass. How can you let this guy pizz on your leg and claim the Lord sent a rain cloud?Plutodoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13486037579224769154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-61791457699663197182015-04-08T22:35:03.159-04:002015-04-08T22:35:03.159-04:00God, Erin. You're thick. Hovind had a right to...God, Erin. You're thick. Hovind had a right to appeal all the way up to the Supreme Court. He did not not not not bot have a right for them to hear his appeal. They informally reviewed the case, determined there was no case in controversy to be addressed and turned it down. Just as most birther cases got shot down. Your ignorance makes you an easy mark for Hovind but you and he have no case. And his peevious case is all over, unappealable. Nothing left but for Kent to finish ser ing the remaining 20 months approximately he has left on that sentence since he couldn't quit breaking the law in jail...and he'll pay further in new jail time for continuing his incorrigible felonious behavior. Wake up, sweety.Plutodoghttp://thefogbow.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-70634453476473255832015-04-08T19:59:26.897-04:002015-04-08T19:59:26.897-04:00“Fact: Dr. Kent Hovind did not avoid the IRS but s...“Fact: Dr. Kent Hovind did not avoid the IRS but spent much time communicating with the IRS to make sure he was within legal perimeters of the tax code (which is approximately 74,000 pages. Google it.) “<br /><br />Kent had a copy of the code sitting on his mantelpiece next to his desk. The relevant sections are a couple of dozen pages and it was only those pages by his own admission which Kent studied in any depth. He studied them over a period of years and consulted with Glen Stoll in hundreds of hours of telephone conversations and Stoll admitted that the advice he was giving to Kent went against that of the vast majority of tax lawyers. Kent does not get a free ride for his wilful preference for tax-denier opinions.<br /><br />“It is "their job.” The only actual “service” the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) provides (or should) is to answer the citizens questions conceding the extremely large tax code. “<br /><br />It was clearly evident from the nature of the correspondence that Kent was not seeking clarity. He was being deliberately obstructive and boasted of it even to those experts who advised him correctly and whose advice he wilfully ignored. He’s still doing it.<br /><br />“Fact: The Hovind Haters believe “Vengeance is the IRS’ and they will repay!” (How dare they have to answer the questions of a peasant? “<br /><br />Do you honestly believe for one moment that Kent was genuinely seeking clarification from the IRS, clarification which he could have got in 24 hours from any one of dozens of law firms in Pensacola? If you do then why did Kent boast to many people that he had got the IRS beat?<br /><br />“Fact: Hovind Haters SMART, “Hovindicators” Stupid (So, they attest)”<br /><br />Hovindicators chew the bones and spit out the meat.Samphirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00327984071854007032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-1111480790305071072015-04-08T19:38:50.505-04:002015-04-08T19:38:50.505-04:00“Fact: John David Roy Atchison, who vigorously pur...“Fact: John David Roy Atchison, who vigorously pursued a federal indictment against Hovind, committed suicide by hanging himself in his prison cell.”<br /><br />Completely irrelevant. It wasn’t Aitchison on trial. Are you suggesting that had Kent got away with his tax crimes Aitchison should also have been found not guilty of his crimes had he lived to be tried? That is the illogic of your argument.<br /><br />“I believe I’m wrong about the agent Dr. Hovind prayed for (I don’t remember the other agents name). Maybe he should have prayed for this man too. Nonetheless, it’s Samphire’s opinion that I’m disgusting but I contend that what this man did was disgusting and revealing of why he had such hatred for Dr. Kent Hovind. “<br /><br />He didn’t have hatred for Kent. He was doing the professional job he was paid to do which was to ensure that people paid their taxes. Doubtless you pay your taxes so why give Kent a tax-free ride to amass a $1m property portfolio? It is you and your husband who rant and rave in the most appalling and hateful manner at the various officials employed to ensure the law is observed and, indeed, even at your own president..<br /><br />“Fact: The court did in fact take issue because of a “prayer.” A prayer folks!”<br /><br />Wrong as usual, Erin. The prosecution did not make much of the prayer issue in setting out its case. It was Kent’s own attorney Richey who stupidly insisted on raising the issue which allowed Schneider to give evidence as following:<br /><br />“BY MR. RICHEY:<br /><br />Q. So Dr. Hovind praying that God -- praying to God, you took that as a threat?<br />A. No, sir.<br />Q. Just when it had to do with you, him praying about you?<br />A. Sir, he was making statements that basically were saying that he was fine if something happened to us and that somebody -- and he was talking to the general public, making a statement that I think is very reasonable to assume that in the context of everything that was seen, the numerous weapons, the TEC-9 machine pistol, the SKS sub machine gun, the pistols, and weapons that he refused to disclose when we were there, the threats on the radio, his comments to me personally, the veiled threats -- I considered them veiled threats in person -- and I believe all those things led me to believe that all of them were in a threatening context. So I think that's reasonable for me to believe at the time and because of that it was reported as such to our internal affairs office, TIGTA.”<br /><br />Nuff said!<br />Samphirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00327984071854007032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-54442128518834454182015-04-08T18:56:21.224-04:002015-04-08T18:56:21.224-04:00“Besides, If the ministry owed taxes then don’t cl...“Besides, If the ministry owed taxes then don’t claim it is Hovind that owes taxes and don’t claim that the ministry can be tax exempt but the “owner” of the ministry must pay personal income tax on the ministry. If a ministry can be taxed than the First Amendment means nothing. “<br /><br />The ministry could not be taxed because it had no corporeal identity, a concept which you seem to have great difficulty understanding. <br /><br />“Fact: Dr. Kent Hovind had taken a LEGAL vow of poverty. He owned nothing and owed nothing.”<br /><br />Then who owned the properties? And don’t say “the ministry” because that is a meaningless concept under the pseudo-legalistic structure Kent tried to erect in the hope that it would assist him in avoiding taxes. Kent also called his ministry “a church” despite he and his family attending another church.<br /><br />“As to the accusation of loaning $50,000. I don’t know if that’s true.”<br /><br />Then read the trial transcript.<br /><br />“However, Is it illegal for a ministry to loan money? This should be headline news! (many pastors could be convicted for their church loaning money to missionaries for large purchases. i.e. vehicle, land). “<br /><br />I very much doubt that churches loan money to missionaries who, by the nature of their work, would have no means of repaying them. It would be a breach of trust to lend money with no security for repayment. In any event, the “ministry” did not loan Eric the money but Kent and Jo from their own undeclared funds and to whom Eric is repaying his loan from monies he earns running his 501(c)(3) book and dvd company.<br /><br />“Abolish income tax and replace it with a consumption tax and this will no longer be an issue for anyone.”<br /><br />It wouldn’t be so much an issue for wealthy people who would love it but it would for you if you spend most of your income on current living expenditures.<br />Samphirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00327984071854007032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-68474983073394980842015-04-08T18:24:19.799-04:002015-04-08T18:24:19.799-04:00The anonymous whiner wrote, in part:
- "Inco...The anonymous whiner wrote, in part:<br /><br />- "Income tax should be abolished..."<br /><br />That's not relevant to Kent Hovind's legal problems unless Kent wants to repent and admit to his criminal evasion history and claim it was part of his civil disobedience.<br /><br />However, Kent hasn't taken that more honorable route.<br /><br />Kent falsely claims he didn't owe, doesn't owe any tax(es).<br />Kent falsely claims he was not criminal in his actions regarding such things.<br /><br />RLBatyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685581652348535601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-18131877657796480812015-04-08T16:31:13.642-04:002015-04-08T16:31:13.642-04:00The anonymous whiner continues the Hovind Narrativ...The anonymous whiner continues the Hovind Narrative with the following common claim:<br /><br />- "John David Roy Atchison, who vigorously pursued <br />- a federal indictment against Hovind...<br /><br />What is the record, and where, that reveals what involvement Atchison had in the Hovind case?<br /><br />There seems to be some dispute as to his involvement therein.<br /><br />Instead of making ipse dixit claims about what he had to do with the Hovind case, it would be much better to document his apparently very limited involvement.<br /><br />For instance, where is the evidence, the documentation, regarding Atchison's activities involving the "pursuit of the federal indictment"?<br /><br />Not that it matters, but since the Hovindicators think it worthy of note, where are the details documented.<br /><br />I say it doesn't matter, because Kent was properly investigated, properly charged/indicted, properly tried, properly convicted, and properly sentenced.RLBatyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685581652348535601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-59713150709184559102015-04-08T16:23:44.393-04:002015-04-08T16:23:44.393-04:00As I recall, there were at least 9 diverse and spe...As I recall, there were at least 9 diverse and specific acts which went in to the evaluation of the obstruction charge, including such things as operating in cash, filing bankruptcy, the praying thing, and filing frivolous suits against government employees.<br /><br />As you suggest, Samphire, the praying thing was just one of many acts that went in to the obstruction conviction.<br /><br />And even at that, the 3 year sentence for obstruction was concurrent with the 10 on other charges; didn't really add any time to the sentence.RLBatyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685581652348535601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-86769710582351944062015-04-08T13:02:38.955-04:002015-04-08T13:02:38.955-04:00A few of the hidden yet “SIMPLEST FACTS ABOUT KENT...A few of the hidden yet “SIMPLEST FACTS ABOUT KENT’S CASE” and the Hovind Haters (as revealed by Samphire) Part 3<br /><br />Fact: Dr. Kent Hovind did not avoid the IRS but spent much time communicating with the IRS to make sure he was within legal perimeters of the tax code (which is approximately 74,000 pages. Google it.) <br /><br />Samphire April 8, 2015 at 5:15 AM<br />"Why don’t you take the trouble to read the trial transcript in which you will find full details of Kent spending many years abusing the legal process and trying to make life hell for those who were simply doing their job.”<br /><br />It is "their job.” The only actual “service” the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) provides (or should) is to answer the citizens questions conceding the extremely large tax code. <br /><br /><br />Fact: Income tax should be abolished and replaced with a consumption tax (www.FairTax.org) and those who have misused the law to imprison innocent citizens should be held accountable. (This is a “really nasty trait"?) <br /><br />Samphire April 8, 2015 at 5:15 AM<br />"It’s a really nasty trait in Kent (which you and Rudy have enthusiastically and readily adopted) that, while amassing a $1m property portfolio out of undeclared income, he sought (and still seeks) to have these honest and patriotic American citizens put out of work and into jail."<br /><br /><br />Fact: The Hovind Haters believe “Vengeance is the IRS’ and they will repay!” (How dare they have to answer the questions of a peasant? <br /><br />Samphire April 8, 2015 at 5:15 AM<br />"It was for this vicious time-wasting and bullying mania Kent had for the IRS and the legal system that he received a penalty in the form of 3 years extra jail time, luckily for him, running concurrently with the other terms."<br /><br /><br />Fact: Hovind Haters SMART, “Hovindicators” Stupid (So, they attest)<br /><br />Samphire April 8, 2015 at 5:15 AM<br />"You are so consumed by your extreme religious delusions that you are incapable of understanding even the simplest of facts about Kent’s case."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-7349293136593681372015-04-08T13:01:54.378-04:002015-04-08T13:01:54.378-04:00A few of the hidden yet “SIMPLEST FACTS ABOUT KENT...A few of the hidden yet “SIMPLEST FACTS ABOUT KENT’S CASE” and the Hovind Haters (as revealed by Samphire) Part 2<br /><br /><br />Fact: John David Roy Atchison, who vigorously pursued a federal indictment against Hovind, committed suicide by hanging himself in his prison cell. <br /><br />On September 16, 2007, Atchison was arrested at the Detroit Metropolitan Airport in a sex crime sting operation undertaken by the Macomb County Sheriff's department.[5] He was charged with "enticement of a minor to engage in sexual activity using the Internet", "aggravated sexual abuse" and "traveling across state lines to have sex with someone under the age of 12".[5] At the time of his arrest, he was carrying presents for his intended victim, including a doll and a pair of earrings. Also in his possession was a jar of petroleum jelly.<br /> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_David_Roy_Atchison<br /><br />Why don’t you take the trouble to read the trial transcript in which you will find full details of Kent spending many years abusing the legal process and trying to make life hell for those who were simply doing their job.<br />"“By the way, count 58 (as best I can tell in their clear as mud wording), is for praying for the IRS agent who hung himself (before he hung himself of course).”<br /><br />You really are a disgusting person."<br /><br />I believe I’m wrong about the agent Dr. Hovind prayed for (I don’t remember the other agents name). Maybe he should have prayed for this man too. Nonetheless, it’s Samphire’s opinion that I’m disgusting but I contend that what this man did was disgusting and revealing of why he had such hatred for Dr. Kent Hovind. <br /><br /><br />Fact: The court did in fact take issue because of a “prayer.” A prayer folks!<br /><br />Samphire April 8, 2015 at 5:15 AM<br />"The court took little note of Kent’s childish voodoo imprecations other than it demonstrated his entire philosophical outlook on tax matters.”<br /><br />Nuff said!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-45334047874788400832015-04-08T13:01:16.382-04:002015-04-08T13:01:16.382-04:00A few of the hidden yet “SIMPLEST FACTS ABOUT KENT...A few of the hidden yet “SIMPLEST FACTS ABOUT KENT’S CASE” and the Hovind Haters (as revealed by Samphire) Part 1<br /><br />Fact: To separate a man from his ministry is simple. So, create doubt and confusion: <br /><br />Samphire April 8, 2015 at 5:15 AM<br />"When Kent owes tax he claims the cash and property are “the ministry’s”. When the government seizes the assets then Kent always refers to it as “my property”. Ask yourself a simple question. If the entire Pensacola Hovind clan had been naturally selected by falling off a cliff who would have been in line to inherit the assets - the successor-in-title to the defunct legally-undefined “ministry” or some out-of-town relative? If the latter, then for all legal purposes Kent and Jo were the legal proprietors of those assets whatever Kent self-servingly claims to the contrary. If the former then please give us its identity.”<br /><br />Besides, If the ministry owed taxes then don’t claim it is Hovind that owes taxes and don’t claim that the ministry can be tax exempt but the “owner” of the ministry must pay personal income tax on the ministry. If a ministry can be taxed than the First Amendment means nothing. <br /><br /><br />Fact: Dr. Kent Hovind had taken a LEGAL vow of poverty. He owned nothing and owed nothing.<br /><br />Samphire April 8, 2015 at 5:15 AM<br />"Also, while Kent was enjoying his vow of poverty he and Jo were giving land to Eric and lending him $50,000 to build his house. How does somebody with no assets manage to lend large sums of money?"<br /><br />A vow of poverty does not mean the person cannot ride in a commercial plane, or stay in a hotel, or drive millions of miles all over the country doing ministry work, or stay on ministry property between meetings. The Hovind Haters seem to imply that because he took a vow of poverty that he had to live and sleep on the streets. No, there is nothing wrong with a ministry providing these things and using them to further the ministry, which Dr. Hovind no doubt did. There is plenty of evidence that Dr. Kent Hovind was/is passionate about his ministry and put all donated money back into the ministry even if in the form of transportation and shelter. As to the accusation of loaning $50,000. I don’t know if that’s true. However, Is it illegal for a ministry to loan money? This should be headline news! (many pastors could be convicted for their church loaning money to missionaries for large purchases. i.e. vehicle, land). <br /><br /><br />Fact: The First Amendment must be disregarded to justify what is happening to Dr. Kent Hovind. Abolish income tax and replace it with a consumption tax and this will no longer be an issue for anyone. It’s about freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Plain and simple. www.FairTax.org<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-49011183519654862112015-04-08T05:15:55.037-04:002015-04-08T05:15:55.037-04:00“The IRS stole ministry money and ministry propert...“The IRS stole ministry money and ministry property, not personal income.”<br /><br />When Kent owes tax he claims the cash and property are “the ministry’s”. When the government seizes the assets then Kent always refers to it as “my property”. Ask yourself a simple question. If the entire Pensacola Hovind clan had been naturally selected by falling off a cliff who would have been in line to inherit the assets - the successor-in-title to the defunct legally-undefined “ministry” or some out-of-town relative? If the latter, then for all legal purposes Kent and Jo were the legal proprietors of those assets whatever Kent self-servingly claims to the contrary. If the former then please give us its identity.<br /><br />Also, while Kent was enjoying his vow of poverty he and Jo were giving land to Eric and lending him $50,000 to build his house. How does somebody with no assets manage to lend large sums of money?<br /><br />“By the way, count 58 (as best I can tell in their clear as mud wording), is for praying for the IRS agent who hung himself (before he hung himself of course).”<br /><br />You really are a disgusting person. The court took little note of Kent’s childish voodoo imprecations other than it demonstrated his entire philosophical outlook on tax matters. Why don’t you take the trouble to read the trial transcript in which you will find full details of Kent spending many years abusing the legal process and trying to make life hell for those who were simply doing their job. It’s a really nasty trait in Kent (which you and Rudy have enthusiastically and readily adopted) that, while amassing a $1m property portfolio out of undeclared income, he sought (and still seeks) to have these honest and patriotic American citizens put out of work and into jail. It was for this vicious time-wasting and bullying mania Kent had for the IRS and the legal system that he received a penalty in the form of 3 years extra jail time, luckily for him, running concurrently with the other terms. <br /><br />You are so consumed by your extreme religious delusions that you are incapable of understanding even the simplest of facts about Kent’s case.Samphirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00327984071854007032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-70137607244280240662015-04-07T23:44:30.180-04:002015-04-07T23:44:30.180-04:00Hovind Haters hate this (part 2)
Plutodog April 7...Hovind Haters hate this (part 2)<br /><br />Plutodog April 7, 2015 at 5:50 PM<br />"3 The lis pendens in a case that was closed was fraudulent. Hovind knew or should have known that he was in contempt of court order and passing fraudulent paperwork. You don't get to endlessly "petition the government for redress of your delusional grievances after the final decision and appeals have run their course.”<br /><br />Run their course? The "court order" robbed him of his right to appeal. He was tried once (only once), and that without defense because he was persuaded that the charges were so bogus that he did not need to give a defense. Integrity and the spirit of Americanism (freedom and justice) would give the guy an appeal to a fair trial rather than spewing more Hovind Hate. <br /><br />Plutodog April 7, 2015 at 5:50 PM<br />"To the extent Hovind is hated is because he is an unrepentant, incorrigible tax cheat and felon. We look down on that in civil society. Only a smattering of 'true believers' feel otherwise. “<br /><br />Here we have Hovind Hate manifesting into “true believers’” hate. <br /><br />That dirty rotten tax cheat’n scoundrel! <br />Al Sharpton? <br />No, Kent Hovind, you moron!<br />Oh, right, the “true believer” <br /><br />Plutodog April 7, 2015 at 5:50 PM<br />"Go ask the churches in Pensacola why they don't support him. And then ask yourself why you don't know any better than to learn from their intelligent example."<br /><br /><br />They’ve either been mislead,<br />They’re blind or,<br />They’re cowards (All they have to fear is the IRS, a corrupt judicial system, and 10 years to life in prison. And if they appeal via U.S. mail they can count on 20 more years for mail fraud).<br /><br />By the way, count 58 (as best I can tell in their clear as mud wording), is for praying for the IRS agent who hung himself (before he hung himself of course). Or was it a different IRS agent that felt threatened by the wrath of God because of Kent Hovind’s prayer? Was he afraid of God or Hovind? Maybe someone can help me understand the details of the prayer, who he prayed for, and how it was conceived as a threat worth throwing a man in prison for. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-36943263888722135862015-04-07T23:43:53.956-04:002015-04-07T23:43:53.956-04:00Hovind Haters hate this (part 1)
It all hinges on... Hovind Haters hate this (part 1)<br /><br />It all hinges on The First Amendment and the Hovind Haters hate this. The only way in which they can justify their defense and hatred is by disregarding The First Amendment. The IRS stole ministry money and ministry property, not personal income. There is a reason he was not charged for not paying personal income. Don’t you think the IRS would have charge him for not paying personal income if they could? Instead, they had to misuse structuring laws (10 years for 57 counts of withdrawing/using ministry money for ministry purposes). <br /><br />In response to Plutodog's jumbled mess of logic clear as mud (in “quotations”):<br /><br /><br />Plutodog April 7, 2015 at 5:50 PM<br />"1 & 2 -- Pending litigation from the incorrigible Hovind had no legal basis.”<br /><br />1. If the letter(s) in question that he sent was/were hand delivered there would be no "mail fraud" charge. <br /><br />This is a fact. Just be honest about it. State it plainly and clearly for the sake of factual truth rather than spewing more Hovind Hate, please. <br /><br />Plutodog April 7, 2015 at 5:50 PM<br />"The SCOTUS refused review. The property was no long his, thus any paperwork claiming it was subject to litigation was fraudulent. Hovind quite likely will not get 20 years if convicted on all other charges. But be that as it may, if he committed crimes with less time than enough to serve the sentence imposed that is NOT a life sentence and he brought it on himself in any case."<br /><br />The IRS stole ministry property. His appeal hinges on the first trial. Everything about Dr. Kent Hovind’s sentencing is excessive (even if he were guilt) and questionable. <br /><br />The mail fraud charge itself is fraudulent. But if it were not, consider that Jim Guy Tucker, former Governor of Arkansas after Bill Clinton and, Bill Clinton's Lieutenant Governor before that, was convicted of one count of conspiracy and one count of MAIL FRAUD. Yet, his sentence was only "four years' probation and house detention.” <br /><br />As a U.S. citizen he has the right to appeal. Plutodog is right in saying that “they refuse to review” and therefore took that right away from him. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-18790834748911935082015-04-07T19:27:31.487-04:002015-04-07T19:27:31.487-04:00@ Samphire
And those charges are seemingly quite ...@ Samphire<br /><br />And those charges are seemingly quite simply stated in the indictment for those inclined to look it up yet again!RLBatyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685581652348535601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-5589722957339095982015-04-07T19:25:21.295-04:002015-04-07T19:25:21.295-04:00@ PlutoDog
I liked the way you covered so much of...@ PlutoDog<br /><br />I liked the way you covered so much of what the anonymous whiner had to say; the substantive details.RLBatyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685581652348535601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-17506850809622430552015-04-07T18:47:18.220-04:002015-04-07T18:47:18.220-04:00"The charges are so complicated that they hav..."The charges are so complicated that they have a hard time producing a list clearly stating the charges and time in prison for each charge.)"<br /><br />Charges:<br /><br />http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_of_America_v_Kent_Hovind_and_Jo_Hovind<br /><br />From the sentencing transcript:<br /><br />"Pursuant to the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 and all amendments, it is the judgment of the Court that the defendant, Kent E. Hovind, is hereby committed to the custody of the Bureau of Prisons to be imprisoned for a term of 120 months. That is comprised of 60 months as to Counts 1 through 56, all of which to run concurrent, 57 -- 60 months, excuse me, consecutive as to Count 57, and 36 months concurrent as to Count 58, which results in a sentence of 120 months, which is within the guideline range." <br /><br />That wasn't so difficult.<br /><br />Luke 11:9<br /><br />Samphirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00327984071854007032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-62329004702236347222015-04-07T17:50:40.228-04:002015-04-07T17:50:40.228-04:001 & 2 -- Pending litigation from the incorrigi...1 & 2 -- Pending litigation from the incorrigible Hovind had no legal basis. The case was ajudicated, appeals were final. The SCOTUS refused review. The property was no long his, thus any paperwork claiming it was subject to litigation was fraudulent. Using the mail to perpetuate that fraud is mail fraud. Each case is subject to it's own set of facts. Bringing up other cases shows ignorance of that fact. Hovind quite likely will not get 20 years if convicted on all other charges. But be that as it may, if he committed crimes with less time than enough to serve the sentence imposed that is NOT a life sentence and he brought it on himself in any case. Your special pleading for him is based on specious "facts". 3 The lis pendens in a case that was closed was fraudulent. Hovind knew or should have known that he was in contempt of court order and passing fraudulent paperwork. You don't get to endlessly "petition the government for redress of your delusional grievances after the final decision and appeals have run their course. The courts owe you no endless round of frivolous litigation. Your gross misunderstanding of the Constitution is noted and just as frivolous as Kent's appeals. To the extent Hovind is hated is because he is an unrepentant, incorrigible tax cheat and felon. We look down on that in civil society. Only a smattering of 'true believers' feel otherwise. #4 Your claim of Christian persecution is hogwash--Hovind perpetuated hogwash. And Hovind is a repeat felon. Your memory of petitions to the judge for the max for poisoning childrens minds is spurious. Prove it. #5, Your understanding of the First Amendment is inadequate at best and the rest of the bloviating on your part 2 is unmitigated delusional drivel. No apology is due Hovind. Hovind owes his wife and society an apology. But he's an unapologetic sociopath. And you're one of his more recent patsies. Go ask the churches in Pensacola why they don't support him. And then ask yourself why you don't know any better than to learn from their intelligent example.Plutodoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13486037579224769154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-66477629905253152132015-04-07T17:12:58.598-04:002015-04-07T17:12:58.598-04:00I Find It Amazing How Much Dr. Kent Hovind Is Hate...I Find It Amazing How Much Dr. Kent Hovind Is Hated (Part 2)<br /><br />4. Dr. Hovind is specifically targeted by the Hovind Haters because he has been very successful in shedding light on a terrible theory: http://creationtoday.org/category/creation-seminars/ <br /><br />(Yes, I am convinced of this. I remember when the evolutionist Hovind Haters petitioned the judge to give him the max possible because, “he is poisoning the minds of children.” It’s not about taxes, its’ about inalienable rights. The right to free speech and religion. I would think otherwise if he was charged for not paying personal income tax, but he wasn’t! The charges are so complicated that they have a hard time producing a list clearly stating the charges and time in prison for each charge.)<br /><br />5. IF* the FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION was NOT disregarded Dr. Kent Hovind would never have been put in prison in the first place.<br /><br />(Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Text<br /><br />It is CLEAR the charges against Dr. Kent Hovind are not about personal income tax (There are no charges concerning personal income tax against him. The IRS stole ministry money and ministry property). His ministries are clearly religious (not a for profit business… his material was not even copyrighted). He is not accused of receiving taxes to fund his religion (as evolution is funded). So, what does the IRS have him in prison for? Structuring? Taking too small amounts of money out of the bank? Or is it too large amounts of money? Who's money?<br /><br />The Hovind Haters can only justify what is happening to Dr. Kent Hovind by disregarding the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. A Jury can only find him guilty when they abide by instructions that disregard the First Amendment. The answers the Hovind haters give and comments they make only make it more clear that the IRS has become a criminal enterprise—a rogue agency that abuses its power by harassing groups for political reasons. The U.S. Constitution is being spit on by the far left and the Hovind Haters and more Americans will lose freedom as a result. It is time to FREE KENT HOVIND and end the IRS. <br /><br />There needs to be more than an apology from the IRS. There needs to be compensation.<br /><br />www.FairTax.org<br />www.freekenthovind.com<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-80895967899111993582015-04-07T17:12:28.886-04:002015-04-07T17:12:28.886-04:00I Find It Amazing How Much Dr. Kent Hovind Is Hate...I Find It Amazing How Much Dr. Kent Hovind Is Hated (Part 1)<br /><br />1. If the letter(s) in question that he sent was/were hand delivered there would be no "mail fraud" charge. The letter contained nothing to defraud anyone but simply to let the potential buyer(s) beware that ownership is still pending litigation. Yet he is now potentially facing 20 years per letter because the letter(s) in question were delivered by the U.S. Mail? This is absurd! I think a jury who understands why our judicial system was set up to have the right to a 'jury' (a sworn body of people convened to render an IMPARTIAL verdict) <br />should understand that they certainly can have sympathy and realize that their government has gone rogue for trying to misuse the law to keep a man in prison for the rest of his life. Oh, how he is hated! But why?<br /><br />2. The mail fraud charge itself is fraudulent. But if it were not, consider this: Jim Guy Tucker, former Governor of Arkansas after Bill Clinton and, Bill Clinton's Lieutenant Governor before that, was convicted of one count of conspiracy and one count of MAIL FRAUD. Yet, his sentence was only "four years' probation and house detention.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Guy_Tucker#Conviction_and_resignation<br />Not so with Dr. Hovind! Dr. Kent Hovind is facing 20 years in prison per letter. That makes it a life sentence (the remaining years of his life) for mailing a letter(s). He is not dangerous nevertheless, he is hated.<br /><br />(mail and wire fraud is any fraudulent scheme to intentionally deprive another of property or honest services via mail or wire communication.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_and_wire_fraud<br /><br />3. For the U.S. Government to use mail fraud charges against a U.S. citizen to prevent citizen from using the U.S. mail to deliver a lis pendens (pending litigation) or a charge of contempt of court (the Judge ordered him not to do what?) in order to prevent citizen from "petition(ing) the Government for a redress of grievances" is unconstitutional. (But this man must be stopped at all costs! Pardon the sarcasm). Oh, how he is hated!<br /><br />(a lis pendens is a written notice that a lawsuit has been filed concerning real estate, involving either the title to the property or a claimed ownership interest in it.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis_pendens<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4421006301341157258.post-91492141330188119592015-04-07T12:37:01.525-04:002015-04-07T12:37:01.525-04:00Great article. Thank you Jonathan, and Peter. Lo...Great article. Thank you Jonathan, and Peter. Looking forward to the next installment!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17742542300752116878noreply@blogger.com